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« Yanıtla #15 : Ağustos 03, 2011, 11:37:37 ÖÖ »
GW benim paletimden ilham alarak normal cilt  renginde ogre'lere döndü! :D

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« Yanıtla #16 : Ağustos 03, 2011, 01:05:19 ÖS »
Eywallah Veysel.

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« Yanıtla #17 : Ağustos 03, 2011, 01:11:34 ÖS »
Stonehorn nedir yaw?
Benim gönderdiğim resimlerden 2.sindeki canazor. Resmin altında ufacıcık yazıyor.

Eywallah Veysel.


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« Yanıtla #18 : Ağustos 08, 2011, 08:43:38 ÖS »
Bir iki rumour daha.

-Ogre'ler gut magic dahil 4 lore kullanabilecek. Fire kesin, death ve beast bekleniyo. Belki heaven.
-Bir adet ogre bull'un özeti:

close combatta 4+as/6+p.save , 3 atak, t4, 3 wound, ve parry save'i ignore eden, ap ogre club. Daha güzeli bunlar 30 puanın altında.

-yaratıkların alayının 4+as olabilir. daha iyi ya da kötü beklenmiyo.

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« Yanıtla #19 : Ağustos 08, 2011, 11:44:26 ÖS »
Parry save ignore dersen üzersin beni, deme.
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« Yanıtla #20 : Ağustos 08, 2011, 11:47:37 ÖS »
ogreler zaten monsters infantry değil mi onlara zaten parry save atmıyon yanlışmıyım ???
Beastmen - 5000 pts
Space Orcs - 3100 pts
Gothic Chaos - 1000pts
BB-Orc team - Dwarf team
Stompa - Looted Shadow Sword

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« Yanıtla #21 : Ağustos 08, 2011, 11:49:07 ÖS »
Parry save ignore dersen üzersin beni, deme.

Dahası da var leventçim:

There is a very reliable way to make opponents Always Strike Last.
All ogres seem cheaper. Slightly cheaper or nearly a third cheaper - the elites have a much lower cost per model.
Maneaters got weird rules that I wouldn't believe if I read them on a rumour forum.
Leadbelchers are good now. I think you can build a really, really shooty ogre army.

ogreler zaten monsters infantry değil mi onlara zaten parry save atmıyon yanlışmıyım ???

sadece stomp attack'lara parry atılamıyo değil miydi?

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« Yanıtla #22 : Ağustos 08, 2011, 11:59:34 ÖS »
ASL acık yalan gözüktü bana. Evet parry nin atılamadığı durumlar: stomp, Impact, birşeylere binmek, büyülü kalkan yada silah kullanmak.
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« Yanıtla #23 : Ağustos 09, 2011, 12:06:53 ÖÖ »
ASL acık yalan gözüktü bana. Evet parry nin atılamadığı durumlar: stomp, Impact, birşeylere binmek, büyülü kalkan yada silah kullanmak.

ogre clubları ınfantry katliyamı yapcak desene
Beastmen - 5000 pts
Space Orcs - 3100 pts
Gothic Chaos - 1000pts
BB-Orc team - Dwarf team
Stompa - Looted Shadow Sword

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« Yanıtla #24 : Ağustos 09, 2011, 12:20:52 ÖS »
Alıntı
Magic:
Ogre Magic has been reworked and spellcasting now works the same way as for all wizards. Spells are pretty much similar to what they used to be, except they last until next magic phase and are not RIP. Lore attribute is bloodgruel - on 2+ mage gains 1 wound and +1 to cast for his next spell, on a 1 takes an S6 hit.
Ogre mages can take great maw, death, heavens and beasts magic.
New mage model is the firebelly, who uses lore of fire, costs araound a fifth more than an empire cannon, can be upgraded to lvl 2 for the standard price of a wizard upgrade, can take a great weapon or extra hand weapon and has S4 breath attack, flaming attacks and 4+ ward vs fire.

Magic items and big names:
Big names still there and come out of magic item allowance. Didn't get changed that much from what you currently have. Best one is probably giantbreaker - doesn't require giant in the army - for the cost of dispel scroll model can't refuse challenges or flee but gets +1S.
Magic items are few and generally meh compared with common items. Thundermace basically gives you one thundercrush attack just like the sphinx has for a ton of points. Most interesting item is hellheart, which causes a miscast in all enemy mages within 5xD6" at the beginning of enemy magic phase - one use only, costs 2 scrolls.

Core units now include ironguts at five points less than they used to be, and with all command models costed at +10 points (which is same across the book).
You can get 40 gnoblars for the cost of one dark elf sorceress, and they come with throwing weapons attached and no prerequisites.

Special units got a lot of changes, leadbelchers will now fire D6 shots every turn, no misfires, and are move and fire with no penalty for moving. They cost one point less than Yhetees, which cost one point less than talisman of preservation.

Maneaters are half an empire cannon in points, and basically choose two special rules (you cannot chose the same special rule for two units) from a group of 8 - including poisoned attacks, sniper, stubborn, swiftride, strider, vanguard, itp, scout.

Mournfang cavalry is the new heavy cav, with a lot of options (potentially a 2+ armour save), tons of attacks and a price tag that is in the vicinity of a bloodcrusher, depending on what armour/weapons you take. 3 wounds, D3 impact hits and a total of 7 attacks per model make them somewhat fearsome.

Gorger is now special and gets a bit more expensive, but loses the rule by which it had to end movement closer to an enemy unit. It does have frenzy, unbreakable, killing blow and ambusher special rules.

Rare
Scrapalauncher is rare, slightly cheaper I think and similar to what it does now (S3 KB catapult)
Ironblaster is an empire cannon with horrible fluff and a pretty unpleasant misfire chart. It is nearly as expensive as a hydra, but has move and fire, S10 grapeshot and a special rule that allows you to roll two dice for bounce and chose the highest, even if one is a misfire.

The two mammoth-like critters are:
the stonehorn, which can have a mounted harpoon launcher (S6 D3 wounds 36" bolt thrower that doesn't penetrate ranks and is move and fire if mounted), 4+ armour save, does a lot of S6 impact hits on the charge, has dragon-like stats (but lower WS, Ld and initiative), M7, 4+ armour save and a special rule which halves the damage from all multiple-wound weapons that hit it.

and

the thundertusk, which is a support version of the above - has a mounted catapult that doesn't get hurt in any way by misfires, a harpoon and a 12" S6 KB weapon (chaintrap) - 3 weapons on its back, and gives all enemy models within 6" ASL. The tradeoff is - no impact hits and one less attack.

Both of these big beasties cost as much as around 5 wraiths.

A stonehorn can also be the mount for a hunter, which costs almost as much as a high elf prince.

Last but not least: the sabertusk. Special unit, 1-10 unit size. Each one has 3 S4 attacks, so aside from being the redirector of your dreams, it can sometimes work as a mage assassin. One costs slightly more than 4 halberdiers. T4 and two wounds.

They can't use general's leadership or battle standard re-roll, and their own LD is 4 - and can only be joined by a hunter - so I would say they will only come in two unit sizes - 1 or 10+hunter. This second option is not so bad - the unit will cost you some 350 points, but it has vanguard, swiftstride, and 30 S4 WS4 I4 attacks + whatever the hunter brings.

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« Yanıtla #25 : Ağustos 10, 2011, 01:54:24 ÖS »
o değil de kitabı sızdırmışlar.




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« Yanıtla #26 : Ağustos 10, 2011, 02:09:45 ÖS »
-bulls cost 30p,
-ironguts cost 43p,
-gnoblars cost 2.5p with possible trappers upgrade,
-leadbelchers 43p,
-maneaters 50p,
-sabertusk pack 21p,
-yhetees 44p,
-mournfang cavalery 60p (for 7 atacks and d3 impacts),
-gorger 90p,
-scraplauncher 130p,
-ironblaster 170p,
-giant 200p (stubborn),
-stonehorn and thundertusk 250p.
-gut magic, 6 spells, 1 magic missile, 3 augment spells, 1 hex, 1 small template direct dmg spell + signature spell witch gives stubborn to target range 12/18"
-Tyrant 210,
-slaughtemaster 250,
-butcher 100,
-bruiser 105,
-hunter 130,
-firebelly 120,
-clubs are hand weapons now from what i see,
-if you roll 10 or more there is d3 impacts rather than 1

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« Yanıtla #27 : Ağustos 10, 2011, 02:37:53 ÖS »
puanlama açısından 'empire cannon'un yarısı', 'dispel scrol'dan 2 fazla' hesabı benim için daha eğlenceliydi :P
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« Yanıtla #28 : Ağustos 10, 2011, 02:41:39 ÖS »
puanlama açısından 'empire cannon'un yarısı', 'dispel scrol'dan 2 fazla' hesabı benim için daha eğlenceliydi :P

ogre stronghold'da gnoblar cinsindendi puan kısmısı :D

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« Yanıtla #29 : Ağustos 10, 2011, 03:50:28 ÖS »
Bende okurken gıcık oldum abi 5 warith parasına yok efernim talisman of prev in 1 altının 1 altına filan. 40 yapar diye çıkacak biri arkadan bekledim yani :)

O değilde bu cover art değildir umarım. Çok kötü...
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